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lancecornea



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:47 am    Post subject: Pointing of the "Gloria" Reply with quote

Assuming we are using the standard 14 bar double chant or 7 bar single chant, I'd be interested to hear everyone's views on what they feel is their favourite pointing of the words to the Gloria at the end of a psalm. I've just been listening to some of the Priory series and also the St.Pauls series, and it's obvious that each conductor has a preferred pointing, not just of the psalm text, but of the Gloria as well. In fact some like to leave out the commas after the word "Father" and after "beginning" (as found in the Book of Common Prayer).
For the record this is how I like to sing it:

Glory be to the Father and ' to the ' Son: and ' to the ' Holy ' Ghost.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ' ever ' shall be : world without ' end. A ' . . ' men.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with your pointing on this one. The Amen should definately be split over two bars
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too agree! Sadly, it's not the pointing we use in my choir Sad
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice topic, Lance. It has sent me back to the Priory CDs for another listen. Yet I would agree with wc that the Amen should be split over two bars.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No way! We agree on something Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must agree too.. sounds alot better being split ....
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must agree as well. BTW, I'm doing some deputizing in a country church (with a one-manual organ which has a short-compass-offset-to-the-right pedalboard). They used Old Cathedral pointing, and I insisted that they change to Parish Psalter (which they have but had never used) if they wanted me to play Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nigel
Do you prefer the Amen over 2 bars, or 2 bars (as I do). The Parish Psalter and The Cathedral Psalter seem to only use 2 bars.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Lance,

I generally prefer 2 bars, but this is probably because that's what I've been used to for many years. I think it's easier for the congregation, and is, perhaps, more natural speech rhythm.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont you think its a bit weird that we even have an opinion on this?! i am starting to think that maybe I need to get out a bit more. Seven days a week rather than six. Oh no, maybe my non-church friends think i'm REALLY boring. Oh no, oh no. Developing a complex. Especially as I think its quite an interesting topic ...

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're not an organist, but, from experience, when I was young(er Confused ) I used to know the specifications of every organ within a 10 mile radius of home. Geeky, but there it is. When you get the bug............ you're bitten Evil or Very Mad

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually got this wrong. Singing psalms tonight I realised that I actually meant the Amen should be spread over 2 and a half bars
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lucky you, singing psalms tonight. We got to do a responsorial psalm at Mass this morning, but we never have Evensong. I get to deputise occasionally though.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wickedchorister wrote:
I actually got this wrong. Singing psalms tonight I realised that I actually meant the Amen should be spread over 2 and a half bars


Yes, I wondered whether you actually meant two and a half bars, and that's why I was more specific when I queried Nigel on his preference for the Parish Psalter which only spreads it over two bars.
Glad you were concentrating on such detail during tonight's singing! Laughing Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's nothing better than a good chant sung well. Conversely, there's nothing worse than a choir who cant sing psalms
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